[Administrator]

I have upgraded to Leopard on its release date which is the first time I have ever done this with anything and I’m starting to question this move.

Since doing this I have had a couple of issues with it and have just not been able to fix any of them. I have done a clean install with no luck and have the same issues on two different Macs.

Both these Macs (a MacBook and an iMac) have different software on them. One of the biggest problems I’m having is I can’t repair my permissions regardless if I start up from the Leopard DVD or not. This issue has only started since upgrading to Leopard.

I have also found that quitting out of some programs I can only do this on the second try as it doesn’t work the first time.
I’m also finding that my WiFi signals seem to be lower and now I find the MacBook is turning itself off while there is still charge in the battery (around the 30 percent mark). Again this has only started up since upgrading to Leopard.

Originally Posted by:
Paul Hadlow
Werribee, Vic.

[Administrator]

Reply by Sean McNamara:

There have been widespread reports of Permissions errors in Leopard, and this is due to two factors.

The first is that there are some minor issues with using the Repair Permissions function in Leopard. The second is that with the internet, the reporting of these errors may well magnify the apparent degree of the problem occurring.

Although it is good troubleshooting practice to repair permissions semi-regularly, the problems occurring in Leopard won’t stop your machine functioning normally.

I have read (and it’s my experience) that downloading the 110MB 10.5.1 updater from the Apple site (see “Hotlinks”) rather than using Software Update will eliminate most, if not all, of the remaining permissions errors reported by Disk Utility. In my case, they have been eliminated completely.

As for the other issues, I’m pretty sure an update at some point will fix them, and you may well find the 10.5.1 update fixes some or all of them — it’s certainly worth a try.

I also updated my machine on the first day, and I have had few problems. Other Macs I have updated since have also not experienced any major issues. I think if some of your issues start to be cleared up you will be more than satisfied with your upgrade.

See [url="http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1051update.html"]Leopard.1 updater/url]

[macsthebest]

I too have had problems with Leopard after install. The only way I could solve them was by doing a install again but using the "Archive and Install" method. So far so good but I am puzzled as to why the 10.5.1 should be downloaded from Apples download site and not from "Software update"? Is there really a difference if so why and what? I installed OSX 10.5.1 from software update after the reinstall, so would I gain anything by re- installing the update again from Apple's download page?
Any help on this matter would be appreciated.

[Ken Gracey]

I had a similar problem ( as mentioned above) but i found that downloading 10.5.1 the from apple downloads solved the problem, At first i thought i was going loopy, so i erased the disk ( yes i was bored) and tried again via the normal software download mechanism, and Bingo the problem came back. After a bit of head scratching i found that the apple download of 10.5.1 was larger than the normal software update was on my imac. So i am guessing that the version that apple was recommending, was missing something that the imac needed But dont hold me to it

[David Holloway]

I had a similar problem ( as mentioned above) but i found that downloading 10.5.1 the from apple downloads solved the problem, At first i thought i was going loopy, so i erased the disk ( yes i was bored) and tried again via the normal software download mechanism, and Bingo the problem came back. After a bit of head scratching i found that the apple download of 10.5.1 was larger than the normal software update was on my imac. So i am guessing that the version that apple was recommending, was missing something that the imac needed But dont hold me to it

I too have been having Leopard issues - I have a slower computer and get the slow quitting and permissions issues described above. I didn't do a clean install and have regretted it ever since. I'll have the bite the bullet in the next month and start from scratch.

[Dan Warne]

Yep, I too have been having problems quitting programs in Leopard and force quitting them sometimes seems impossible. I particularly have problems with ElGato EyeTV.

In relation to the permissions problems, Sean has already outlined it pretty well above, however I should point out that booting from the Leopard DVD will certainly _not_ work for your permissions repairs. Unfortunately 10.5.0 as shipped had a bug in disk utility around permissions repair -- you need to use 10.5.1 for it to work correctly. I find permissions get repaired OK on my MacBook Pro using 10.5.1.

[Ken Gracey]

Has anybody tried cocktail etc to run all there system admin scripts including repair permission, I must admit i have never tried it under 10.5.1, come to think of it i am not even sure its compatible with leopard.

[mickdevlin]

I have upgraded to Leopard on its release date which is the first time I have ever done this with anything and I’m starting to question this move.

Since doing this I have had a couple of issues with it and have just not been able to fix any of them. I have done a clean install with no luck and have the same issues on two different Macs.

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Originally Posted by:
Paul Hadlow
Werribee, Vic.

I upgraded the long way, as I have done with every ( and I mean every) release of Mac OS X.

1. Back up all the data, files and music etc I wish to save.
2. Write down email account settings.
3. Double-check that I have evrything saved (to DVD and external HDD).
4. Start up from Install DVD and, from DU select Erase.
5. From the Erase tab, click the Security Options button then, from the resultant sheet, select Zero Out Data and click OK. The disk is erased and zeroes written to the HDD (this places the HDD in a known state, with no extranious data etc present).
6. After the Erase has completed, I quit DU and install Mac OS X using a custom install (i.e. installing only the printer drivers and languages I use).
7. I then create my intial account.
8. I then configure my intial account and create an admistrators account.
9. I confugure the admistrator's account and install all my other software, including software updates.
10. I finish by setting preferences for the applcations, set up my email account and import mailboxes.

Some people ay find this time consuming but I haven't had any of the problems that others have suffered following an upgrade. How did YOU upgrade to Leopard?

Mick

[Ken Gracey]

Mick after you have installed this way did you run dikutility again? To make sure all of your permissions are correct, or did you just start using the mac

[mickdevlin]

Mick after you have installed this way did you run dikutility again? To make sure all of your permissions are correct, or did you just start using the mac

I repair permissions using Disk Utility both before and after installing software. However, I don't bother doing so after a major upgrade (such as installing Leopard). When I did run permissions, I saw none of the problems that were reported (e.g. repair failures). The only thing I have noticed, even after installing 10.5.1, is that it is s-l-o-w (at least three minutes to complete).

One point on installing software and repairing permissions, whether under Tiger or Leopard, is that you only need to repair permissions once before and once after installing software, regardless of the number of applications or updates you have installed.

For example:

1. Log in to Administrator's account
2. Repair permissions using Disk Utility.
3. Restart in Safe Boot mode (by holding down the shift key).
4. Log in to Administrator's account again.
5. Install all the software.
6. Repair permissions again using Disk Utility.
7. Restart (but not in Safe Boot mode this time).

[Ken Gracey]

ok thanks for that update, just one more question. You don't prefer to run disk utility from the DVD in preference to the one installled on the hard drive.

[mickdevlin]

ok thanks for that update, just one more question. You don't prefer to run disk utility from the DVD in preference to the one installled on the hard drive.

If the HDD requires repair, then I start up from the DVD and use Disk Utility from the DVD to repair the drive. I used to use the DVD to check the HDD before installing but changed my technique (and the times I checked the integrity of the HDD) when I bought my current machine, a MacBook Pro. The Install DVD proved very reluctant to read, never mind mount. The drive usually spat it out after three attempts and I thus couldn't start from the DVD.

Accordingly, following the upgrad to Leopard, I now only use the (Leopard install) DVD sparingly. I hope this has answered your questions.

Mick